Perpetua

To scale perpetua first we need to scale characters she scales above and clear some downplay.

a) The presence

b) The source

c) The downplay.

As it stands today (19/10/2021) the presence is #369 on my strongest DC characters list.

To start with

He made the strongest archangels and was stated > them.

Gabriel was > lucifer at this time

Then it was michael>gabriel>lucifer

Eventually lucifer ruled supreme

He became an equal to him

He also made other angels that are > early lucifer, michael and gabriel (you can see michael being stabbed and captured in the scan i showed of him)

Meaning he is stronger than the angel of death which > michael > gabriel

Next is the strongest weapon of the presence.

The book of destiny

Which chains the creation brothers.

Lucifer tried for an eternity to get outside the book of destiny

Lucifer needed the letter of passage to the overvoid to escape the presence’s plan/ book of destiny and to make his own creation.

Even the presence told him that it was his plan to help lucifer escape the plan and we clearly see it happening with the letter of passage.

Lucifer is like those women who say they need no man but live off their sugardaddies.

Without the book of destiny this is what happends.

All archangels + a sword are > him now

This was the presence without the book but he had the power’s of lucifer who he saw as an equal.

At this time it was ellaine who was god of 3 creations and had the book of destiny

Despite clearly not being experienced the presence backed off when lucifer dropper her name.

Lucifer without his powers tanked this very sword that cut down the presence+lucifer amp.

Also destiny clearly has no power over the book

So this doesn’t apply to the book and it clearly says “after his creator, PERHAPS” and the book as told by lucifer is an extention of the creator.

So Presence+book of destiny > Presence+ lucifer, meaning the presence with his haxes is > presence with an AP increase.

Yeah this dude is number 369 forget about top 200 let alone top 3 as many wankers have him lmao.

Now, the source.

Since pre-crisis its stated to be the final barrier of creation which we can clearly see in the map as well.

If you see all appearances of the source wall is always stated to be the top of the top, so when people say “threat to creation” or “creation” in general they are adding the source wall too.

The source wall being stronger than the source; not only it contains the source but protects creation from beings leaking in into reality.

Here’s the raptor making the wall to seal perpetua AND the source.

At this time the source was whole since this predates odin and zeus existance, so this source is THE source + the anti-life entity.

This source+ ALE E

The ALE Entity is so strong that it doesn’t give a F about darkseid,orion, high father and dr fate all scaling above the splitted source.

Etrigan scales to or above michael btw.

The WHOLE source+infinity man+ALE E is so strong that darkseid had to eat 2 million new gods souls + a tiny ALE to beat it (those souls contained high father and orion)

This is orion x 10 + high father + 10 + at least 2 million x 10

So if orion is 5 and high father 4

It’s 50+4x10= 540 + 2 million x 10 = 20.005.400x stronger than his ALE self (not final crisis) which > his base which > the source.

Yet the raptor and perpetua are clearly stronger than it (more later).

Everytime the wall breaks something far larger and stronger than the source comes in, meaning that beings can exist beyond the source and can go trough it leaking into and past the wall.

Example’s being the great darkness

And more clear s’ivaa

In this comic darkseid corrupted the source and was a threat/capable of destroying it.

They broke the wall.

This wall contained s’iiva who’s > orion and superman who are > darkseid and high father

High father gets an amp

So 2 beings that get their powers from the source and are a threat to it + darkseid who should be stronger are fodder to s’ivaa.

So they go like “yeah we’re weak AF lets get superman”

So it takes 2 beings that > the source + the source to seal someone that was trapped in the wall.

It was too strong that even with the 4 of them they still had to toss him back into the wall.

And we know that inside the wall and the source both high father and darkseid can make avatars of the source to interact with the outside.

There’s around 200 characters that are a threat to creation, meaning they > the source.

So that should clear out the downplay.

There were a lot of > presence level tiers in post crisis.

A being beyond the source, maggedon.

To make it short, the presence saw this dude and was like “hell nah”

And then came worse

More >/= stuff

Then the tree of life

Then there’s the 5th dimension which is a threat to the mind and body of the presence.

The strongets imps like thunderbolt can face off the great darkness more info here

They are so strong that the presence himself had to bfr him to stop him from stomping the spectre.

mxy being above him

Is stated all crisis events are fights for the body and mind of god

A clear example being the anti-monitor who was destroying concepts not even the presence has dreamed off

Parallax hal destroying all of creation leaving only the overvoid, with the IC scans we know that the presence was in heaven at this time so parralax killed him.

The spectre shows up later because of time traveling shenanigans (there’s 2 parralax hals at the same time and 3 normal hals in the same event, read all of parralax hal stuff from post-crisis to rebirth before comenting)

He eventually became stronger than god brainiac a 6th dimensional being

He also defeated an even stronger COIE AM

Final crisis darkseid was stated > the presence

He did it thanks to the help of the CU which makes or breaks the presence..

Rox was stated > this darkseid but this one is sheer AP

Darkseid has done the CU thing twice btw

Now with perpetua herself.

Made the monitor brothers who contain the power of their creations.

If you read my cosmology you would know that the dark multiverse contains infinite source walls.

She made the dark version of the 7 forces.

We already know that CU > presence, so 1 force is already stronger than the presence and the source.

Since the CU can re-create the source.

And here the 5th dimension or imagination is used to re-create the source and undo a = presence level being

The ultra violet ring is stated > white ring this is a 2x1 because as you can clearly see umbrax is using the CU too.

The white ring being a source level amp

The still force can stop creation in its tracks and is a counter to the speed force

The speed force is so strong that it can create realms outside of the DC map

And can see acts that predate creation in this case can see the presence making creation

So clearly the LOD has > source level amps, since amps are basically multipliers even if you get amped by a lower number than you are you still get a massive boost.

The next force kills gods and is a threat to the god sphere

The presence was in the god sphere

And yes when something is stated to be able to kill gods or has power beyond god’s it also applies to the presence and lucifer.

Perpetua at 0% power destroyed the source wall which we already know > the source and was made by the raptor.

This was done by her opening her eyes, so the air her eyelashes produce > the source.

She ALT+F4′D a bunch of people that scale to the source

And fucked up the 5th dimension

This was a passive damage, it wasn’t even an attack she just literally woke up.

Imp’s themselves are stronger than the totality in starman and the 4 forces in the LOD

As shown in the cosmology the 6th dimension > 5th dimension

World forger > mxy

WF can create variations of the justice league at their peaks like white lantern and are capable of destroying hypertime.

Hypertime connects creations together (each being a DC map).

Each with its own true form darkseid and mxy’s

He’s stronger than the AM, makes sense since he has the biggest creation.

Stronger than all of them comes barbatos

Consistent since after their fight with WF they state that perpetua is stronger than barbatos ever was.

Barbatos killed 2 of the 3 monitor brothers leaving the weakest alive for some reason (well we dont know if he killed AM but since we already know WF>AM then theres no issue asuming he can kill him anyways)

Stronger than all of them are the omega titans (OT)

They each hold an specific concept which are stated > the source.

Entropy (imperiex) Wonder (magic) Mystery (CU) and Wisdom (possibly TECH)

They should be similar to the 7 dark forces.

Tech being > Magic

More impressive the wisdom titan one shotted starro

Same starro that while weakend destroyed the FBS

Which was stated > WF by himself

Now we can go into perpetua.

While weakend destroyed the source wall and the amped omega titans.

Since we know that the ones prior are just starved ones, it took the 4 seeds of their respective concepts to kill one.

She’s stated a threat to creation while at her weakest and is stronger than beings beyond creation as explained prior. (She’s stronger than 500 characters with creation level power)

She broke the 5th dimension

She’s the maker of the 6th dimension and is beyonder it as well as being the strongest resider of it.

She is one or at least knows what is happening in the 6th dimenison while she’s on earth.

If you read the starro scan where he’s stated > FBS you can see that world forger made the rules in the 6th dimension.

The justice league with their own 7 forces, with starman’s totality and the 3 brothers who each is beyond mxy who is > 4/7 of the dark totality + light totality + hawkgirl with the raptor’s power + belief lost to a weakend perpetua.

A weakend starro stomped the JL with the totality and the LOD who had their own 7 dark forces and everything i added.

This weakend starro is called a fragment

So know you understand how massively above this weakend starro is from the LOD and JL yet the omega titans one shotted the fully powered one which is > FBS > WF.

She stalemates the fusion of her 3 sons+ totality

More statements of her being weakend

There’s many totalities scattered across time, so the JL plan is to use 3 totalities to empower the ultramonitor so he can beat perpetua.

1 Totality > the quintessence

They failed since the CU of humanity sided with them and as we know this same CU can reshape the totality.

Something that a weakend perpetua could do if she wanted to

With the full totality she can reshape the brother’s 3 and just gift AM the ALE which is an equal to the source.

And we know that weakend perpetua>totality and just 1 force is > source so this is a casual feat for perpetua.

He calls starman an speck and one shots him.

Now with the totality and after going universe after universe seeing who was siding with doom or not; now she also has humanity’s CU on her side giving her a bigger amp than the totality (remember humans didn’t exist when perpetua was sealed for the first time)

Also people say that she’s universal because of this.

Like i said she’s going universe after universe asking who was siding with doom or not.

She was basically knocking on doors asking who will join her and amp her with the CU or who would rater die (she destroys the universes that dont side with her just so that the heros cant use them for their own CU amp).

At full power she basically laughs at an amped raptor

Since last time it was the whole HAND race with prep that took her down while she had her pants down.

And even while trapped she could mind hax crisis level characters.

She gave luthor the 7 dark forces.

More evidence that she’s so massively above the energies and the totality that she can gif them like it was cookies.

The ultramonitor > raptor.

Speed car > ultramonitor > raptor (lmao)

With all her power she just grabs an universe and tosses it to the WF.

Remember that what makes an object dangerous isn’t how sharp or heavy it is but how fast/ how much acceleration it has.

That is just a penny, now imagine an universe being tossed at speeds beyond imagination (check the cosmology to know how impressive everything is).

The WF reacts.

The amped JL who stalemates an apex predator lex (which is lex+MMH and is beyond the reach ot he book of destiny) + 7 dark forces + CU and as we know in the prior scan is stated that the JL + 3 brothers are nothing to perpetua.

And she wins this fight alone no diff.

There’s more stuff to add but i prefer to jump to the juicy parts.

Now the big fight.

The two strongest beings to date (excluding overvoid tiers and above)

BTW the presence was in heaven at the time

They are anyways stated > the otherkind which > sliver of the great darkness > presence.

Perpetua has relative statements to the full great darkness.

More > anyone else statements

This darkest knight is the entire dark multiverse+ top tier dark batmen + CU + portion of manhattans power + power stolen from the heros.

Becoming one with the dark multiverse is insane since (if you checked my cosmology) it has infiinte source’s and presence’s/recreation of top tier beings like AM and WF too.

Become one with the top tier batmen is insane since

The strongest of them, the mindhunter is > an amped combination of the omega titans.

The second strongest is the bat-mage (you can argue robin king)

Killed the JLD who just fought and killed the UDM and are generally a > presence team

He killed an alternate mordru who was a rival to young merlin who was the meerlyn.

Tim who was a novice and weaker than merlin at the time made the infinite creations lucifer saw at the end of sandman (this is ironically written by the same dude who made lucifer 2000’)

In case you dont understand.

You can see the tim absorbing the other tim alongside its creation while standing on the overvoid, then a survivor adds that he had to travel endless creation to get to the real tim watching others die in the process.

This same bad tim opened all the doors of all the realms with the owners being powerless againts it which again includes the presence.

Merlin literally dreamed tim into existance.

Merlin being able to go into the overvoid and hold creations in his hands as well.

Lucifer being powerless againts merlin’s protected body

And yes fanboys this is THE lucifer

It’s stated many times that manhattan>perpetua to the point that a darkest night with a tiny scrap of manhattan’s power was stated to be able to kill perpetua.

This are the scraps of the scraps since a portion of manhattan’s power already stalemated perpetua despite ww being weaker than her and it was stated she only lost because she lacked belief in herself.

Plus the DK had 3 >> presence level beings collect the mind+body of the presence to amp themselves and wanted all 3 to re-direct their power to him.

Despite the clear advantage perpetua held her own.

Eventually the JL destroyed the source of perpetua’s power (totality)

Then the DK lost his amp (he still had the CU which > totality, manhattan’s powers, dark multiverse and dark batmen who > omega titans)

Despite losing her powers first she was still in conditions to stalemate him.

Eventually she lost as she expended her power’s first, my whole point is that despite having weaker amps and losing them first she was still able to stalemate the DK and lost because again she lost her powers first meaning that she should be stronger than him, if they had the same amps this would be a stomp for perpetua.